I just began my apprenticeship and I just oderred my machines. I ended up going with the Paco Rollins liner and shader mainly becauise the price is unbeatable, and I heard nothing but great things about these machines. Im focused more on doing black and grey work so i wasnt interested in the color packer. Just wanting to know what others out there are using for their black and grey work, and if anyone has experienced the paco rollins machines?. Thanks.